In three lengthy on-line TV interviews (at the US portal blip.tv.com) the former Sai Baba follower, Ullrich Zimmermann, gives a thorough description of his experiences with Sathya Sai Baba. This delivers a major blow to any wishful doubts entertained by the faithful that Sathya Sai Baba practices sex on male devotees.

Ullrich's frank and detailed account of his experiences and his interpretations of them may well be of help to some of the many others who (as he also asserts) have been through similar sexual experiences with Sathya Sai Baba, whether of lesser or greater degree.
There is a transcript of the most revealing part two where he tells of the private interview and Sai Baba's sexual acts. Then a summary plus partial transcript of part three, where he reflects back on his experiences and the Sathya Sai cult .
The full-length videos were posted by blip.tv but are no longer available there (see wayback machine scans Part One (introductory) - Part Two (the main account of sex etc.) - Part Three (reflections). The image below is copied from blip.tv's web site .

Both his common sense and his more esoteric musings may well be helpful. He raises the question whether this oral sex was sexual abuse or a 'divine blessing', and - when this interview was made all of seven years ago, he did not then regard it as sexual abuse. However, the factual description he gave was of oral sex imposed on him virtually against his will and in his very first meeting with Sai Baba who he believed and trusted in fully as being God. Those of similar faith - such as his mother also was - tend to accept the idea that it was a divine blessing (unless - as most do - they deny it can ever take place). Many other young men from across the world have already independently testified to the same kind of sexual abuses by Sathya Sai Baba through many years (see under 'Witnesses' on ExBaba.com). None of them stated they regard the sexual acts as a 'divine blessing'.

Whatever 'spiritual' interpretations some devotees may choose to apply here, ExBaba's campaign to show that Sai Baba does indeed have sexual relations with young men is yet again vindicated. In the interests of truth and the protection of the innocent, former devotees and others around the world have worked - against cover-up and many obstacles - to expose the truth about Sai Baba's most widely alleged molestations of young males.

Ullrich's natural honesty is unmistakable as he tells of his whole Sai Baba experience - including the difficult and sensitive subject of oral sex. He, like others who have come forward, cannot be praised sufficiently for his bravery and adherence to truth and decency. As his interviewer says, these revelations will come as a major shock to those Sai devotees who watch the video, not least because of the openness and entirely unassuming character of Ullrich in his self-evaluations and his fearless answers to questions put to him.

Ullrich Zimmermann points out that there is a big difference between a 'guru' and a 'teacher' - where gurus unempower their followers and rob them of freedom, teachers (as to spirituality) always leave those who seek their advice to make up their own minds and achieve their own way in life. Ullrich followed Sai Baba as a guru, but is now very clear that he no longer wants Sai Baba or any other guru, even though there may have been some temporary benefits from such devotion.

Note that the International Chairman of the Sathya Sai Organization, Dr. M. Goldstein (see 'The Secret Swami'), denies that any such thing has ever taken place. This denial is again seen for what it is, a sheer and - for a doctor pretending expertise in sexual abuse - a despicable cover-up of facts. There is full proof that these abuses were known to Goldstein and many other top leaders, not least from Dr. Hislop, whose infamous circular letters to US organization leaders tried to cover up the same kind of allegations in the early 1980s. Dr. G. Venkarataman, the second-in-command of the cover-up by the Prashanthi Council whose closeness to Sai Baba and position of authority gives him every opportunity to check out the facts about Sai Baba's large scale homosexual activities that Ullrich [and others] say are well-known to many ashram residents. That Sai Baba escapes conviction is due to the impossibility of charging him formally elsewhere than in India, and there he has virtual control of the High Court of Andhra Pradesh and the Supreme Court of India through his devotees who preside over them, fully backed by his devotees - the current Indian PM, President and Home Minister! His totally unaccountable Sathya Sai Organization could not be sued in the US, not being registered as an organization (instead it uses a bookshop as a front for its activities).

In the first part of this series, Ullrich Zimmermann tells how he came to Sathya Sai Baba and got his first interview. This is of more interest to those who have not been to the ashram. For those who have direct experience of Sathya Sai Baba through personal contact, devotion or in trying to practice his teachings, the first interview will seem too drawn out (playing time up to 1 hour). Ullrich gives a detailed description of how he - and many others no doubt - feel and experience visiting thge ashrams and Sai Baba so as to bring out the way in which - as a keen devotee - he was already largely indoctrinated already, and in a state of nervous expectation etc. He also shows how easily he then believed many things - was indoctrinated like most other devotees - before he even met Sai Baba. However, the conclusions he arrived at - some considerable time after his two sexual contacts - shows a quite other and much more critical perspective (stated in Part Three) .

In Part Two of the series (playing time over 30 mins), Ullrich tells - with a very natural frankness and believability - of his first experiences with Sai Baba in the inner interview room in which he was induced to engage in oral sex (fellatio) on Sai Baba on two occasions, though he was never gay and says he had always felt the idea of being forced into gay sex "the ultimate horror". Ullrich says he did not feel sexually abused because he had total faith in Sai Baba (as God Incarnate) and trusted he would always do what was best for him. So he went along with the 'wishes he couldn't refuse'. Whether this was a 'divine blessing' or merely sexual abuse for Sai Baba's own satisfaction is for readers and the world at large to judge. Ullrich attributes the uplift of spirits some time after it was over to some kind of Tantric energy transmission. However, other explanations do come easily to mind - such as the release of great psychological tensions engendered throughout and the well-known 'divine salvation' enthusiasm and the ensuing 'spiritual honeymoon' effect, which Sai followers get after achieving an interview so much yearned for and for so long (but which is a temporary phase, as Ullrich honestly tells, lasting only for some weeks in his case).

Not surprisingly, Ullrich was often visibly uncomfortable while relating about this with hesitations and pauses - and some confusion still as to how to understand it all. However, he also seems quite convinced about it having had a spiritual aspect. It is noteworthy that Ullrich tells how the second time Sai Baba got him to suck his penis, he stopped after a short while because he felt too awkward. While withdrawing he noticed some sudden light effect coming from Sai Baba's penis. This seems to be a main reason why Ullrich believes there was some kind of Tantric transfer involved. The matter remains impenetrable, for it could also have been caused by the tension created by the nervously-anticipated awkward situation, affecting his eyes, or possibly having some other psycho-physical cause.

Since the live video interview is very long, transcripts of portions of some of Ullrich's statements - which are particularly important from the viewpoint of the exposé of Sai Baba's secret and controversial doings - are given here verbatim, and without comments. They are taken out of the tediously long and involved context, which is nevertheless important for better understanding his standpoint in those interviews, (a full transcript may be added here later). He claims that his relation to Sai Baba brought about a change in somehow 'opening up' his personality. In some contrast to this assertion, he also says that it did not make him more genuinely spiritually liberated or give any 'God-realisation'. He no longer believes Sai Baba can do this. Ullrich's views may well have changed since he made the recording in 2000.

           Ullrich Zimmermann (speaking about Sai Baba in the private interview room):