Dr. Madhavi Majmudar was on the Board of Directors of the Sathya Sai School, Leicester, for several years until she was dismissed by Sathya Sai World Fund's new head of the education committee, Australian Dr Pal Dhall. This was because she shared in covering-up a scandal there involving bullying of a child by the headmistress (Mrs. Usha Lim) and sexual harassment by the husband (Mr. Chen Ho Lim - Physical Instructor).
Educative e-mail exchanges between former Head of Sathya Sai Moscow Centre and EHV in Russia, Serguei Badaev, and Ms. Madhava Majmudar, Sai devotee and Education in Human Values propagator in Scotland (all violet text by Robert Priddy):-
Dear Mr Badaev,
Please find attached my reply. I also attach my paper on "Moral and Spiritual
Education Through Sathya Sai Education in Human Values" presented at International
Conference of The Association of Moral Education, held at University of Glasgow,
7-11 July, 2000.
I hope you find my reply and the attached article of value to you and your colleagues.
With best wishes
Dr Madhavi Majmudar
Serguei Badaev replied:
----- Original Message -----
From: Serguei Badaev
To: Madhavi Majmudar
Cc: Carole Alderman,ssehv,uk ; Isobel Ritchie ; Ravi Manchanda
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Reply to Surguei Badaev Re Comments on my article on Peace, at SSEHV
Website
Dear Dr Madhavi Majmudar,
Thank you for your reply and the article on SSEHV. I will surely read your article
but it will take some time as I am extremely busy now. I have more than 30 teaching
hours a week as a teacher. I am sorry that your comments miss the main point concerning
SSEHV.
To my
mind that is the origin of that theoretical vacuum (or rarefied theoretical air).
Close association of SSEHV with Sai Baba (I mean inner association but not external
apparent independence) makes all SSEHV teacher extremely vulnerable to the worldwide
allegations against Sai Baba. The name of Sai Baba itself is becoming a source of tension
and confusion but not of success and protection. As neither Sai Baba nor SSO gives
any response to those allegations, the teachers have to find their own solution
of how to teach morals and at the same time being a part of a wider community
carry the burden of the allegations. How can they teach their student openness,
sincerity and committment to truth if they themselves have to keep silent, be
confused and participate involuntarily in covering-up without any chance to ask
their leaders and to get a clear answer. There are no democratic procedures which
allow them to express their opinions, which support their right to inquire and
make the SSO leaders accountable to them. That is very sad, and that is to my
mind means that SSEHV as a movement has no future.
I am sorry if my opinion sounds too pessimistic but still there is nothing that
would make me think otherwise. I would be glad to hear your opinions on those
points.
With best wishes,
Serguei Badaev
Dear Serguei Badaev,
Thank you for you reply. I do not wish to reply as apparently we wear different
colour glasses. I do not see any academic worth in what you are saying. You
are welcome to look at my article. My views on SSEHV will remain unshaken along
with my full faith in Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
Madhavi Majmudar
----- Original Message -----
From: Serguei Badaev
To: Madhavi Majmudar
Cc: Carole Alderman,ssehv,uk ; Isobel Ritchie ; Ravi Manchanda
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Reply to Surguei Badaev Re Comments on my article on Peace, at SSEHV
Website
Dear Madhavi Majmudar,
Yes, every person has a unique outlook and a unique world model. But I wonder
how can we have so different positions with regard to Sathya Sai Baba, SSEHV and
the SSO, while we both are apparently committed to the same human values. I am
open for the dialogue and ready to change my position if it wrong.
Best wishes,
Serguei Badaev
Comment: Badaev's last mail was ignored, so he submitted the matter to saiguru.net for posting. This later elicited the following response.
----- Original Message -----
From: Madhavi Majmudar
To: Serguei Badaev
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 1:33 AM
Subject: March 2005 comments on my article Peace education (SSEHV);Google search
listing under Dr Madhavi Majmudar
Dear Mr Badaev,
The above paper on Peace education was presented in June 2002. You sent me your
comments and I replied to you. Subsequently I requested that I did not wish
to enter in any further discussion. You are entitled to your views.
I now realise that you have placed these on your website saiguru.net. This has
been used to enter listings under my name where repeatedly this reference is
used especially to itemise more than 100 items from your website. This is unacceptable
and unethical.
I have registered complaint with Google webmaster and also the manager of your
website - Juan Roman Lomeli Quintanilla.
The email to him forwarded seperately.
I am urgently looking for removal of all the references to your web inf and
the March 2005 comments which are outdated.
Please respond to this at your earliest.
Madhavi Majmudar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Serguei Badaev" <badaev57@mtu-net.ru>
To: "Robert Priddy" <robrei@start.no>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Linda Raine
Dear Robert,
Thank you for the links. I have reread your materials with a lot of satisfaction. I am sending you another piece of my correspondence with Isobel Ritchie (it seems to me I have sent it before). There I mention another important drawback of the SSEHV programme that is neglect to 'ego' formation in children as an important aspect of an overall maturity. I guess Linda might be someone with whom Isobel shared my letter to her.
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Dear Isobel,
Thank you for the letter and the link to the British SSEHV Institute web site. I have not been able not look through all the materials there but I have found there an article by Dr Madhavi Majmudar about Peace Education (i.e. EHV).
First of all I would like to mention that though the site talks about honesty and other human values it would be honest to make a clear connection of the programme with Sathya Sai Baba (who by the way proclaims himself God incarnated) by telling people who he is. Though SSB is not the author of this programme and has never elaborated this programme, his is a figure a sort of behind the curtain and that is why it is all sounds as a programme with some 'hidden curriculum' for me.
Secondly, the article by Dr Madhavi Majmudar refer in abundance to the publications of Thailand Institute. I suspect that the whole Thailand Institute is a small group of 3 people: Dr Jumsai, Dr Judo and MrsBurrows. I read their publications on SSEHV and have to say that I was rather disappointed. I am not a big specialist in education and psychology but it was clear for me those publications were absolutely ignorant of what was researched and discovered by humanity in this area before. The concepts were very poor and mostly were compilations of quotations or paraphrasing of what
was told by SSB in his discourses. That is real pity and it is rather far from international standards in this field, I am afraid. Dr Madhavi Majmudar' article shares the sam e standards, unfortunately. I am not going to come into details here, but I would like to emphasize several points which are common to all SSEHV movement and really undermine credit to this enterprise.
(1) SSEHV does not take into account seriously a developmental aspect of a human being, especially a child. It is not based on any concept of moral and spiritual development and possible corresponding pathologies.
(2) SSEHV pays no conscious attention to the problem of human ego. According to the SSB's teachings 'ego' should be destroyed. This metaphor can be very misleading. Any child should form a mature 'ego'. Any disturbances of this process can lead to serious psychological problems which cannot be cured by any amount of 'positive experience' and need a special therapy interference.
(3) SSEHV closes its eyes on development of critical thinking in children. The whole attitude to criticism in the SSO as to a negative thing prevent development of this ability in children and lead to lack of feedback in a community.
(4) SSEHV does not refer to democratic models of community. The SSO is strictly hierarchical organisation and under its umbrella it is naive to expect justice and human rights to flourish.
(5) Where are those model teachers who should teach SSEHV with Love and Wisdom. Who will choose them? What process will produce them? To my mind
the system of SSEHV as it is cannot be not be an environment which will do that. No exchange of opinions, no discussion of problems, no sharing and support. Even British SSEHV web site has not any sort of a forum.
Sorry, I think that is all for now. I am sending you the story in another format.
With best regards,
Serguei Badaev
----- Original Message -----
From: Isobel Ritchie <idritchie@onetel.com>
To: Serguei Badaev <badaev57@mtu-net.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: SSB and SSEHV (2)
Dear Serguei,
I have just read your e-mail. I was able to read your item about the UNESCO Conference, but I was unable to read your item about being disqualified from the Sai Organisation My computer could not open the programme. Reading your article about the UNESCO Conference brought it all back to me. I remember we had one very important educational person invited from Scotland and as far as I remember she attended the Conference. It was Dr Madhavi Majmudar who invited her as far as I remember.
Your article about the conference was well written, and I must say that I have to agree with you about many points regarding SSEHV and different Educational
theories.
I have approached different head teachers when I was involved with the SSEHV programme to try and get them to purchase the manuals and use and promote
the programme in their schools, but I had little success. One in particular became extremely evasive if she saw me approaching. For those who took the programmme, ie purchased our manuals but had no further 'training', the benefits if any were impossible to assess.
When I was in Puttaparthi in Dec 2004, our SSEHV group did get to visit a Sai School. It was a wonderful experience. We were taken round the classes and took part in an assembly. It was very moving, and I felt truly blessed to have been given the opportunity to see Sai Education being used so successfully. This school was five minutes walk from the Ganesh Gate on the right hand side heading out of Puttaparthi. Both boys and girls are there to approx age 12
when the boys move to a boys only Secondary School, but the girls stay on.
We have had a couple of people here in Scotland removed from the Sai Organisation to my knowledge for 'not following rules' of the officials in the Sai Organisation. These people who were removed were the very ones who worked so hard for the Organisation before. Gradually it is being realised how important they were, and they, or one of them I believe is about to be taken back into the fold.
If you can send me the other article in a different format I will certainly read it. What you say about Sai Baba is certainly not new to me or most of the folk I mentioned . While they would be willing to speak up for the benefits of Sai Education or SSEHV, I doubt if they will want to get involved with you if it is to repeat the negativity we are all familiar with. They are all very busy people. I cannot speak for them of course.
I might mention that Dr Madhavi Majmudar has moved house since she wrote her earlier 'papers' which are/were on the Internet. Her e-mail address has also changed since then. I am not aware if she has recent papers with her new details on the Internet.
Good luck with your Research.
Isobel
Serguei Badaev received an e-mail from Linda Taine, an Australian Sai Baba devotee who is involved in the Education in Human Values programme. He may not have been the intended addressee, but the mail's content shows that Linda Raine is an unreflective Sai Baba believer (she parrots his absurd solipsistic statement: "The world is a mirror of yourself,"):-
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Raine <lraine@scu.edu.au>
To: <badaev57@mtu-net.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 1:30 AM
Subject: Your Letter
I hope that since you wrote this letter, that you have educated yourself! No offense, but I am researching SSEHV and far from being a bogus idea, it is exceptional in that the human values, based on universal values of Love, Truth, Peace, Right-conduct and Non-Violence are an umbrella for every good value there is. Had you been a student of human values, you would have learned about discernment and truth at the least.
Everyone has the right to his own opinion, but, please, in this violent and unhappy world of ours, lets try our best to look at every point of view
before making our decisions. The world is a mirror of yourself, so what you see in SSEHV is of your own making. I pray that you have learned more
about yourself and have also learned to Live in Love
Kind Regards
Linda
Linda Raine is sanctimonious, a finger-pointing moralist who considers herself in a position to patronise whoever it really was she intended it for (and sent to Badaev?) by praying that he has learned about himself and also learned to Live in Love (another Sathya Sai Baba slogan). Rather, the whole supercilious tone of her response suggests she has not learned to 'Live in Love' herself. Not exactly the qualities one needs for teaching children, I'd say.
Serguei Badaev replied in a civil way to this unsolicited e-mail as follows:
Dear Linda,
Thank you very much for your message because I am also researching SSEHV. However I am not sure if it is really for me because it has no salutation line. I cannot realise what a letter you mention because I do not remember writing to you any letters and, in fact, I even do not know you. Anyway, if you are researching SSEHV and would like to discuss this matter I would be very happy to do it.
Best regards,
Serguei Badaev
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Raine <lraine@scu.edu.au>
To: Serguei Badaev <badaev57@mtu-net.ru>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Perhaps a mistake?
Dear Serguei
I will try to answer your questions where i can! I am also interested in why you left the organisation. As it was during the rumour mongering time, i presume that that may have affected you too. I felt so sad that so many people had to work through that issue, but of course, Baba presents, in various forms those issues that are present in ourselves. We are 'not that', and it takes a lot of spiritual work to realise that our memories, mind and body are impermanent!
How wonderful to have been so involved in the EHV program, it is a shame that you had to resign when you had both done so much work.
AS to your questions:
1) I am not sure that EHV involved in a vacuum, or perhaps you mean in relation to 'the rest of the educational world'? I think one of the reasons it appears that way is the pedagogic paradigm and political context. My research shows that schools in UK, Australia and America were divided into public and private, where public schools adopted a 'values free' policy and private schools adopted a wide variety of values that generally applied to how children could become 'good social citizens' and contribute politically. EHV as you know, refers to the universal values inherent in all people and although contributes to social capital, it is not political, and still allows the God-given free will of choice to everyone. However, by living these values, we learn to make choices that ultimately benefit all.
As far as being grounded in scientific theory, I have found that it relates well to Carl Roger's Person Centred Theory. He was a psychologist. There is also some correlation with Erik Erikson's Developmental theory. As far as being based on a particular model of human development I think we have to look at the Vedic philosophies rather than those from modernity for an accurate paradigm. EHV is based on Spiritual growth and mastery of the senses, rather than on materialism. It takes time to break into accepted theoretical concepts, and to forge new ones. I guess you and I are doing that, along with several others that i have come to hear about. Like you, I am a little nervous of the Institutes that have been established, because they would be necessarily biased. Dr Pal Dhall has an EHV Insititute in Australia, doing great work, training the teachers to Masters level in EHV, and affiliated with the Central Queensland University. He is very supportive of what i am doing, which is totally independent of the Sai Organisation, although any results are not likely to be seen until the end of the year. I am currently researching for an honours thesis in Social Science at Southern Cross University and hope to do a PhD on EHV. I am exploring how an EHV education impacts on adolescent identity.
The UNESCO Conference was not a fiasco, as there never was a UNESCO conference!!! They were going to be part of the Education conference at Puttaparthi, but decided not to attend in an official capacity because of the rumours circulating at the time about Sai Baba. A political decision that any organisation would have made. However, several UNESCO members attended and i was fortunate in meeting some of them as i was there at the time.
2) I guess the international forum for EHV is at Puttaparthi as it should be!! After all, Sai Baba inaugurated and patiently developed the program. There is most certainly a history, but at this point very little unbiased research has been done. It is really too new. Apart from Africa, where
some interesting research results are to be found, other countries apart from India have only had EHV schools relatively recently. Longitudinal
research, which gives the best results on outcomes, is therefore not easy, although we can now look at that.
3) I know little about the gap in SSEHV in India. However, there have been several occasions when Baba has stopped some process for a while and it usually seems to relate to organisational processes, especially when egos get involved! Eg When he basically fired all the Sai Organisation chairpersons. Personally, i tend not to question those sort of things as i have enough on my plate looking at myself and trying to improve myself! Other people's business is not of my reality, in that way at least. There are plenty of published volumes on EHV material from the annual conferences in Sept at Puttaparthi. (private publications). Perhaps the Sai publishers could help you with that.
Now, a question for you! Why did you leave the organisation, if you don't mind my asking? Are you affiliated with a university or are you studying privately? When were you last in India and do you still follow Baba's teachings or are you following someone else? If so, who? I am also interested in Raman Maharishi's teachings. And finally, I am pleased to talk with you, to have met you on the net!!
Kind regards
Linda
Comment: An international forum for SSEHV should be at Puttaparthi? A place where everyone must watch their words so that no criticism of others of any kind is involved, especially not of Sathya Sai Baba. It is a place of constant propaganda and calculated disinformation... and what comes out of it bears the mard of censorship, antiquated views on education and children in the modern world.
Serguei Badaev wrote:
Dear Linda,
Thank you for answering my questions.
(1) I am sorry to share with you a sad story of my disqualification. It started about 1999 when we (I mean Russian devotees) were informed that David Bailey left the Organisation and disseminated dirty rumours about Sai Baba. It was a sort of a shock because D.Bailey had visited Russia several times (with Faye) and had given talks and appeared to be a dedicated devotee. We were not told about the reasons so we were puzzled very much. The situation was similar with Conny Larsson. Then again with Dr.Bhatia. It was like a mysterious virus which struck people and converted them against Swami.
Then we learnt that some information can be found on the Internet. After some web sites with negative information were located, we looked them through and realised that the accusations were serious enough not to be ignored. We decided to discuss them during the special meeting of the active members in the Moscow Sai centre. I sent to Steen Piculell (central coordinator for region 16) 2 questions about false materialisations and homosexual activities. Both questions were formulated like this: do you know (or believe) that the information about ... is a fake or they do exist and have some special spiritual meaning? Steen Piculell did not answer. He forwarded it to T.Meyer (Chairman for the zone 4), who replied not to me but to the Moscow Sai centre. He told us that we were not allowed to arrange such a sort of meeting and that if Serguei Badaev could ask such questions that meant he did not have enough faith to be an office bearer in the Organisation.
The Moscow centre wrote a letter to I.Shah and 7th World Conference with the appeal to acknowledge these facts and ask Bhagavan for their spiritual explanation. The letter was passed to our National Coordinator who went to 7thWC and he passed it to S. Piculell and T.Meyer. As far as I understand it never went further. In the beginning of January the National Coordinator phoned me and announced about my disqualification as a deputy of the National Coordinator and National SSEHV Coordinator. He told it was a sort of recommendation of T.Meyer. When I asked about the reason the answer was - "lack of faith in Bhagavan Baba and His teaching".
That time my tenure as a President of the Moscow Sai centre after 4 years was finishing, but the active members meeting decided to postpone the change of the President in regard to this situation. When the National Coordinator learnt about it he disqualified me as a President of the centre. The Moscow centre wrote a letter to the National Coordinator asking him to come to the Moscow centre to have a meeting with the active members. He failed. I wrote a letter to all the Central Council members with the appeal not to accept this decision until collective settlement would be reached.
Soon after that the meeting of the Central Council of Russian speaking countries was held. S.Piculell and T.Meyer came there. I was not invited. But I went as an observer as well as a delegation of the office bearers and active members from Moscow, about a dozen people altogether. During the meeting of the Central Council people from Moscow were not given a word. After all the previous decision was confirmed and imposed on the CC members who were keeping absolute silence. So that is the story in brief.
According to the Charter the reason for disqualification is deliberate violation of 9 Points of Code of Conduct. That was not the case. But during the CC meeting T.Meyer clearly formulated that a National Coordinator has the right to disqualify any office bearer under his supervision without assigning any reasons. I have never seen or heard about such regulations in the Organisation.
Soon after this CC meeting National Youth Coordinator, Maria Ponomareva-Stepnaya, resigned. In April 2001 I left the Sai Organisation.
(2) I also was a participant of this conference and must say I was not impressed at all. The declared status did not correspond at all to a low profile of the content and the level of presentations. As for me it was also very strange and confusing to read in the inaugural speech of I. Shah, the international president of the Sathya Sai Organisation, at the 7th World Conference (November 2000, Prashanthi Nilayam) the following words: "In this context, let me share with you that US magazine "Week" has chosen to give respect to the UNESCO conference held in Prasanthi Nilayam highlighting the message of Bhagawan on 'Values for All'". (20.11.2000. Materials of the 7th World Conference of the Sai Organisation).
Best regards,
Serguei Badaev
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Raine
To: Serguei Badaev
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Perhaps a mistake?
Dear Serguei
I felt so sad reading your story. You were asking reasonable questions and it seems that you were unfairly dismissed. Not very democratic for sure. Perhaps it was for the best in the long run, as you would have asked yourself many questions since then and can only have learned more about who you really are. I am certain that Baba has never left you! I do hope you will one day place him in your heart, consciously that is! It never ceases to amaze me how much politics plays a part in the organisation. I have had many disappointments over the years as i believed that Sai devotees would be perfect!!! Of course, they/we are not otherwise we wouldn't be in this human body. I have learned to listen to my own heart and inner promptings and to ignore the play outside. I feel very happy and peaceful when i do that. Swami did say that the day would come when he would shake the rotten apples off the tree, and i believe that is exactly what he did during that difficult time. I am sure you are not a rotten apple!
Re the conference, i was not a part of the actual conference, so perhaps have not been clear about that. I did meet UNICEF reps at the play and concert. All said, it doesn't really matter anymore. It matters that we live in love, and turn away from negativity, which only serves to affect our lives in a negative way.
I am delighted to have 'met' you and do hope that we can continue to exchange emails.
By the way, when i was in India in 2000, i gave a Russian lady a photo of Baba with the healing lingam that had vibhutti flowing from lingam. I wrote a prayer on the back for the Russian people as i feel a strong connection with your people. Amazingly, Baba asked her to interview and Blessed the photo.
What aspect of Human Vales education are you researching? Would you like to tell me more about that. I have been busy preparing the ethics application, rather hundrum, but a necessity. The most difficult part was obtaining permission from Dr Pal Dhall to approach the head teacher for names of students for the research, so much bureaucracy, and i am not too patient with that! Anyway, i have his letter of permission now so i can go ahead with the research.
Kind regards
Linda
Comment; Linda Raine is clearly a blind believer, and one who dare not investigate the facts and draw right, proper and decent conclusions. She thinks of apostates as "rotten apples"! Typical cult mentality. Sathya Sai Baba, who has been shown to be rotten at the core, talked about "shaking rotten apples off the tree", that is - those who pursue the truth about him too closely, who will not condone and ignore cold-blooded murders in his bedroom while he stood nearby, and who are not accused of sexual abuse of young males and minors, as he is very widely and credibly - though protected from the law by the Prime Ministers, Presidents, Home Ministers and Supreme Court judges who worship him as God Almighty!
Dr.Malcolm Green, a former supporter of the Sathya Sai Education in Human Values, who evidently realised that this organization was led by an unaccountable and widely accused figurehead (by the BCC in their ocumentary 'The Seret Swami') and broke all connection with SSEHV apparently without further notice to anyone. However,, his original declaration, which was published in the Sai Gazetteas as follows:
"I confidently pledge the continued interest and support of the Education Committee for the work of the Society in spreading the message of human values" declared Dr. Malcolm Green, Chairman of the Strathclyde Education Committee, at Sathya Sai EHV Workshop conducted on 13th June 1987 at the Jordan Hill Teacher Training College in Glasgow, Scotland. The College is one of the leading educational institutions in Scotland.
The Strathclyde Education Authority is the largest of its kind in the UK and its acceptance of the Sathya Sai EHV programme and its preparedness to collaborate with the Sathya Sai (UK) Society for EHV in the noble task of spreading this excellent and well proven programme deserve praise. It is a progressive step in the right direction.
The Workshop was organised by the Society's Branch in Scotland with unequivocal support of the Sathya Sai Baba Centre of Glasgow. A large number of teachers, educationalists, doctors, parents and studnets, were present. Mr. J. Jegathesan, President of the Sathya Sai Baba Council of Malaysia and Member of the World Council formally opened the workshop with a short address, followed by Dr. Malcolm Green (see published texts).The Sathya Sai EHV Faculty Members (Victor Kanu, Dr Daksha Trivedi, Genoveva Kanu, Judith Berry, Pradeep Trivedi, Dixie Sookoo) spent the rest of the day with participants, explaining the various aspects of the Sathya Sai EHV Programme. Sahan Rajan of the University of Strathclyde gave the vote of thanks.