COMMENTS ON SATHYA SAI BABA'S "GENITAL OILING" AND KUNDALINI RAISING
from Dr. Timothy Conway
Regarding this “kundalini raising” matter, there is NOTHING in the literature I’ve ever seen from the Hindu, Buddhist or Taoist tantric traditions or Hindu shaktipat guru traditions—and I have read widely and extensively in this literature—about “raising the kundalini” by sexually molesting male youth. It is a bald lie that Sri Ramakrishna initiated Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) or anyone else in this manner. The accounts all state quite clearly that he would touch the disciples on the chest or head. He wasn’t taking them off in private to massage or suck the penis or have male youth do the same to him. I have an extensive library of many rare Buddhist, Taoist and Hindu works (in addition to a huge collection of works from western mystical traditions) and I’ve NEVER read anything that would suggest that what Sai Baba is doing to male youth has been done by ANY other spiritual master in any tradition.
Again, I wrote my M.A. thesis on the cross-cultural phenomenon of shaktipat or “energy empowerment” and I’ve never seen any document that alleged that the “kundalini” or vital force or subtle energy could or should be awakened in this manner.
The question exposing the faulty logic here is that, if the kundalini could be raised in this manner, why isn’t Sai Baba providing the same service for less attractive young men, or older men, or any females?
Barry, please feel free to send this posting to anyone on your list who is either sympathetic or critical of Sai Baba. It’s time for the truth to be told about this matter of the kundalini and Sai Baba.
Best wishes to all,
Santa Barbara, CA USA
from an Anonymous source to Barry Pittard Feb 2002
I know the people of the Kundalini Foundation in the U.K .and I know where they received this information. It came from Shri Siddheswar Baba, who was also my Kundalini Guru in Northern India. What my Guru described and what these Kundalini Foundation people are writing about is not the same. I was there when he said it. I also talked to a young man who had his K.... adjusted by those means described. This man remained fully clothed and it was not sexual whatsoever. I feel very saddened that the words of my Guru are twisted to proof that it is ok what sb does with the boys.
from David Lyons - February 2002
Dear Friends: There shall never be a time that will alter my love,
devotion, and affection for you—no matter which side of this controversy you
are on, whether you are devotee or former devotee. Most of us came together
with a common belief that Sai was the poorna avatar. But all that we did
together, spoke together, sang together was Sanathana Dharma—the message was
and IS divine. The only thing that has changed is the belief ABOUT the
messenger. Some of us have defected from Sai and the organization, but I,
personally, will never defect from you. All of you are the best people I know.
Dr. Timothy Conway has shared this short message with us, but he has written volumes which have been posted on various web sites. Many of you know that I teach a course on Comparative Religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, & Islam) and that Timothy has been the source of inspiration and edification that I am now emulating. Neither he, nor I, nor anyone else I know of has EVER purported that what Sai is doing can remotely be attributed to kundalini raising. That is so far-fetched from Sanathana Dharma that it falls into the category of a joke.
And do you think that the sexual abuse re the pedophilic priests of the Roman Catholic Church is coincidental to what is being reported about Sai throughout planet Earth? I would call it synchronicitous. It comes at a time when many people in authority that we look up to can have a dark side, whether they be spiritual, religious, political or otherwise. Much damage has been done by these people, and it is up to all of us to see that no more crimes are committed. No matter what side you are on in this controversy, YOUR dharma is on the line and is inescapable. The ball is in your court to determine what is true and what is false. And despite what spin doctors like Bongiovanni spit out, you must determine for yourself, without prejudice, what is really happening here and now.
Regarless of how it all turns out, you will remain my friends and cohorts in bettering this beautiful Earth.
Dave Lyons was President of the Sathya Sai Center in New Orleans
from Elena Hartgering - May 2001
See Elena Hartgering's Story in Personal Experiences
On July 13th 2001 it will be a year since I read with sadness “The Findings” compiled by David and Faye Bailey. The past year has been a time of deep contemplation and reflection, and a transformative time, moving on from ardent and loyal Sai devotee to a seeker of truth, no matter where that truth would take me. It has been a time of re-defining reality and discovering God, the real one, not in the confines of any faith community, but rather, in my own heart. I was a Sai devotee for 20 years, a very long time to be wearing blinders.
A question has tugged at the corners of my mind. Others ask the same question, perhaps in different ways, but nevertheless, the question remains – WHAT ABOUT BABA’S POWERS? All of us in our term of devoteeship have had ardent prayers answered, and perhaps experienced the miraculous. I have told numerous miracle stories, because I experienced what I believed to be Baba’s miracles. Baba appears to devotees in dreams leaving a profound impact on the dreamer’s life. He appears from great distances and rescues devotees in distress or danger. He has healed many from catastrophic illnesses. He became part of our thoughts and answered many inquires telepathically. Baba seems to have supernatural powers. He is also a liar, a criminal, a charlatan, a fraud and a child molester, and perhaps even a murder. How can we explain his powers in the context of his crimes?
Most sai devotees have read Howard Murphet’s Sai Baba Man of Miracles. Actually, this was the first book I read about Sai Baba and it convinced me that he was truly a divine incarnation. It is also a book that I shared with many seekers, some who also became devotees, and sadly, remain so. We are familiar with the “scorpion story” which was purported to be the event that set Baba off to proclaim himself a reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba, a deceased saint from Northern India. He later became a self proclaimed god of the universe, an avatar, the Poona avatar, the avatar of the age. Is he a god, or is he a demon? This was the question asked by Pedda Raju, Baba’s father who was exasperated with his son’s bizarre behavior.
When we take this story out of the context and examine it with a critical eye, a different picture emerges. What Murphet described was actually a psychotic episode. If a youngster in the United States suddenly became delusional, reciting scripture, breaking out in song, falling into long periods of unconsciousness, speaking gibberish and remaining in this state for weeks or months, and then declaring himself god of the universe, he would be committed to a psychiatric facility. In this remote and backwards village, untouched by the modern world, young Raju was revered without question because his bizarre behavior was viewed as the sign of one touched by the divine.
I am reminded of a case a woman who was the victim of brother/sister incest shared with me. Her brother, seven years older than she had a strange occurrence. One night he awoke out of a sound sleep and went running out of the house shouting incoherent words and phrases. In subsequent days he broke out into operatic arias to which he had not been exposed. He masturbated almost constantly and began sexually molesting his two sisters. Eventually he became a fugitive from justice when his children accused him of sexually molesting them. The family discovered quite by accident many years later that he had been brutally raped by a male sex offender. The excruciating pain of anal penetration had apparently set off a psychotic episode that went unrecognized for his entire life. He was 13 at the time, coincidentally the same age as Baba’s “scorpion event.” This also occurred in 1945 when child sex abuse was not recognized as a crime in the same sense it is today in the western world.
Sai devotees tend to idealize both Baba and India. For some, the disdain for western religious dogma and practices, and I plead guilty to that, led to the absolute idealizing of all things eastern while turning blind eyes to the social, political, and economic ills of India.
India, socially, if not legally, upholds a caste system that grants privilege to those whose only claim to high rank is the accident of birth. They attribute their good fortune to the law of karma. That same law condemns the misfortunate born to the lower classes to a life of demeaning labors and social ostracism. India is where girl babies are slaughtered daily because females are considered another worthless mouth to feed. In India brides are burned by their in-laws so the kingly sons become eligible once again for another bride with a larger dowry. In India women and children are possessions of the male dominated culture; rape and sexual abuse is rampant, and almost never prosecuted, and female children who are not murdered at birth, are often sold into slavery or indentured servitude. Many crimes in India go unpunished. It is not surprising that two of its northern states, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, are virtually lawless and dangerous to Indian citizens, let alone westerners. There are areas of India that still practice the black arts of witchcraft and sorcery. This is the backdrop that spawned Sathyanarayana Raju, a 13 year old, who had a psychotic episode and declared himself lord of the universe, and now at age 75 boasts a worldwide following of millions of devotees.
To spiritual seekers India is the Mother of Spirituality with its various yoga, ascetic practices, and spiritual disciplines. Many westerners benefit from these practices. It is not these that concern us here. It is the dark side of some of these practices that may explain Baba’s supernatural powers, as well as that of other self-aggrandizing gurus.
Tantra yoga is commonly understood to be spiritual sexuality which became quite popular in the west with the publication in English of the Kama Sutra. There is, however, another side to Tantra. In one of our trips to India we met an Indian gentlemen who told us he had been possessed by his daughter-in-law whom he claimed was a Tantric witch. Through sorcery she acquired all of his property which he said was substantial and he was left ruined and penniless. In his book, “Riders of the Cosmic Circuit” a former Baba Devotee, Tal Brooke says of these practices:
“ ‘All features associated with European witches are…claimed also by Indo-Tibetan yogis and magicians.’ And, along with a range of occult powers common to both, the Indians, ‘boast that they break all the religious taboos and social rules: that they practice human sacrifice, cannibalism, and all manner of orgies, including incestuous intercourse, and that they eat excrement…and devour human corpses...’” (Brooke 2000, p. 205). (Tal Brooke took this quote from a publication of the University of Chicago, entitled “Occultism, Witchcraft and Cultural Fashions” by Mircea Eliade).
Sai Baba is accused of 50 to 60 years of sexual misconduct with young men and boys. Rajneesh the now deceased sex guru who had ashrams in Poona, India and Oregon, was a sexual fanatic. Many of his followers were subjected to group rapes, ritual murder, and other perversities that many succumbed to insanity. Muktananda was accused of molesting young girls. Satchidananda, was accused of sexual involvement with female employees and devotees at his ashram in Pomfret, Connecticut. The allegations tore the community apart and have followed him to his new residence in Virginia. Amrit Desai of the Kripalu Center for Yoga and Health in Lenox, Massachusetts was ousted for committing adultery with numerous female attendees. Each of these men are or were spiritually enlightened, touched by the Divine, if you will, and possessing supernatural powers. Yet, each was inappropriately sexual with their devotees, and often with the weakest and most vulnerable amongst them? Why? What is the correlation between advanced spirituality and sexual impropriety? It is suggested by a number of sources that it is the premature awaking of the kundalini energy. It can be described as the awakening of divine power in an impure vessel. All manner of power in the absence of goodness and conscience seems to make monsters out of holy men..
When kundalini is awakened in one who is not sufficiently pure there is a danger. Rather than moving along the spine and energizing the chakras in a balanced, orderly and highly spiritual fashion emerging through the crown awakening one’s latent divinity, it instead charges downward exacerbating the functions of the lower chakras, the seats of human greed, power, and sexuality. There is an expansion of consciousness that can be confused with divine powers which are in fact, in the hands of these unfortunates, demonic powers. When this happens the conscience is crushed and what is left is a shell of a human being whose humanness is replaced by demonic power far beyond our understanding. I suspect in Baba’s case some dangerous occult practices were the precipitating factor that set off his psychosis. This is obvious because her parents believed him to be possessed by something or someone evil. Why else would they take him to various witch doctors and exorcists?
Words of caution concerning the misuse of these practices have been handed down through the ages. Charles Leadbeater, the co-founder of The Theosophical Society said:
“The Danger of Premature Awakening: This fiery power, as it is called in The Voice of the Silence, is in very truth like liquid fire as it rushes through the body when it has been aroused by the will; and the course through which it ought to move is spiral like the coils of a serpent. In its awakened state it may be called the World’s Mother in another sense than that already mentioned, because through it our various vehicles may be vivified, so that the higher worlds may open before us in succession (emphasis mine).
For the ordinary person it lies at the base of the spine unawakened, and its very presence unsuspected, during the whole of his life; and it is indeed far better to allow it thus to remain dormant until the man has made definite moral development, until his will is strong enough to control it and his thoughts pure enough to enable him to face its awakening without injury (emphasis mine). No one should experiment with it without definite instruction from a teacher who thoroughly understands this subject, for the dangers connected with it are very real and terribly serious. Some of them are purely physical. Its uncontrolled movement often produces intense physical pain, and it may readily tear tissues and even destroy physical life. This, however, is the least of the evils of which it is capable, for it may do permanent injury to vehicles higher than the physical.
One very common effect of rousing it prematurely is that is rushes downwards in the body instead of upwards, and thus excites the most undesirable passions --- excites them and intensifies their effects to such a degree that it becomes impossible for the man to resist them, because a force has been brought into play in whose presence he is as helpless as a swimmer before the jaws of a shark. Such men become satyrs, monsters of depravity, because they are in the grasp of a force which is out of all proportion to the ordinary human power of resistance. They may probably gain certain supernormal powers, but these will be such as will bring them into touch with a lower order of evolution with which humanity is intended to hold no commerce, and to escape form its awful thralldom may take them for than one incarnation (emphasis mine).
I am not in any way exaggerating the horror of this thing, as a person to whom it was all a matter of hearsay might unwittingly do. I have myself been consulted by people upon whom this awful fate has already come, and I have seen with my own eyes what happened to them. There is a school of black magic which purposely utilizes this power for such purposes in order that through it may be vivified a certain lower force-centre which is never used in that way be the followers of the Good Law. Some writers deny the existence of such a center; but Brahamanas of Southern India assure me that there are certain yogis who teach their pupils to use it – though of course not necessarily with evil intent. Still, the risk is too great to be worth taking when one can achieve the same results in a safer way.
Even apart from this greatest of its dangers, the premature unfoldment of the higher aspects of kundalini has many other unpleasant possibilities. It intensifies everything in the man’s nature, and it reaches the lower and evil qualities more readily than the good. In the mental body, for example, ambition is very quickly aroused, and soon swells to an incredibly inordinate degree. It would be likely to bring with it a great intensification of the power of intellect, but at the same time it would produce abnormal and satanic pride,(emphasis mine) such as is quite inconceivable to the ordinary man. It is not wise for a man to think that he is prepared to cope with any force that may arise within his body; this is no ordinary energy, but something resistless. Assuredly no uninstructed man should ever try to awaken it, and if such a one finds that is has been aroused by accident he should at once consult some one who fully understands these matters…..
…..The force is a tremendous reality, one of the great basic facts of nature, and most emphatically it is not a thing with which to play, nor a matter to be lightly taken in hand, for to experiment with it without understanding it s far more dangerous than it would be for a child to play with nitroglycerine. As is very truly said in The Hathayoga Pradipika:, “It gives liberation to yogis and bondage to fools.” (III, 107). (Leadbeater, pp. 82-85)
It is interesting to note that Leadbeater also sexually molested young boys. That was common knowledge in his time, and obviously ignored. Howard Murphet was a member of The Theosophical Society. Actually, he came to India to explore some of the esoteric teachings and occult practices he learned from the two founders, Blavatsky and Leadbeater. What he found instead was a young Sai Baba, and wrote his first book, Sai Baba, Man of Miracles.
Another interesting point to be made is this. The seminal work that defines The Theosophical Society is Madame Blavatsky’s, “The Secret Doctrine” which in addition to cosmology, also describes in detail many of the occult and esoteric teachings of ancient India and other ancient cultures. The world’s power mongers seem to gravitate to these teachings, whether they be set forth as pure spiritual teachings for the good of humankind as is obviously the intent of The Secret Doctrine, or the twisted and perverse kind that are passed on from generation to generation in the darkness of ignorance.
It may surprise many of you to know that Adolf Hitler was an initiate of The Secret Doctrine and a practitioner of the black arts. He even derived the symbol of the Nazi party, the swastika, from India. Actually his inner circle of henchmen were required to be initiated in the same way as was he.
“Attainment of a certain high degree of initiation into The Secret Doctrine was the only acceptable qualifications or entry into this exclusive satanic circle.” (Ravenscroft, p. 244).
Baba is extremely charismatic, so much so that we, his former devotees, gave him our undying love and devotion, we surrendered our will to him, believing that he was our savior, the lord of the universe. We believed he loved us, and had only our best interests at heart. He filled our hearts and our heads, and there was no other love truer and deeper that that of Sai Baba. He read our minds and often spoke to us, it seemed from the divine mind to our individual minds.
We live in a world of opposites. Where there is good, there is also evil. I hesitate to use the word, “evil” because it has such a strong religious connotation. Yet it is the only word that fully describes the enigma which is Sai Baba. I frankly do not know if Baba is all good or all evil. I believe he has supernatural powers which many of us have experienced both in his presence and at great distances. I believe some of what appear to be powers are simply magicians tricks which we have already seen on the video tapes. I believe he has the power to use group hypnosis and much of what we believed to be miracles are only his control over our minds. Minds that were brain washed, tired, and deprived of sleep and appropriate nutrition.
Let us not forget a very important fact. We surrendered our will to Baba in many ways. We prayed to him and when those prayers were answered we gave him the credit. We grew spiritually and again, gave him the credit. We became more loving, caring of others, and compassionate, and gave Baba the credit. When I think about it, Baba was actually a neutral force in my life. I did the spiritual work, not he. He was merely the focus of my devotion. I have changed the focus of my devotion to God and the changes keep taking place within me. We so revered him that I believe this too gave him extraordinary powers in ways we cannot understand.
For me it is ended. I am pleased to have left the darkness behind me in order to find the light of truth that lies before me.
My Love and Blessings,
Elena A. Hartgering
Blavatsky, H. P. (1982) The Secret Doctrine. The Theosophy Company, Los Angeles, California.
Brooke, Tal. (2000). Riders of the Cosmic Circuit. iUniverse.com,Inc.
Leadbeater, C.W. (1927). The Chakras, The Theosophical Publishing House, Wheaton, Illinois.
Ravenscroft, Trevor. (1973) The Spear of Destiny. Samuel Weiser, Inc. York Beach, Maine.
from Glen Meloy, February 2002
I want you to know that I do appreciate your willingness to follow-up and investigate these alleged kundalini raising claims by contacting Timothy Conway and others. It’s been on my mind ever since I first heard of the practice from then dear friends of mine, a Mother and Father of one of the California boys in Hal Honig’s group in 1993 who had his genitals oiled during the same time period when the murders were being committed at the ashram.
Many red flags were popping up when I heard their story, but they were interpreting it as a blessing because they felt their young son was sexually hyperactive and that it seemed to tone him down a bit. Since they were accepting it as a blessing and as a healing, I decided not to research it further, but the thought lingered in my mind for quite some time as I wondered to myself why sb would have to heal in such a manner.
The thought of discussing it further really never entered my mind because this was the first time I had heard of it and I thought maybe it was just a special blessing from God that had been bestowed upon my friend’s son. The very fact that he had been chosen to be in Hal Honig’s group was, to me, in itself, a special blessing for the boy and his parents.
That was in 1993.... Now fast forward to December 1999 when I heard directly from Bob Bozzani similar stories of how either his son or son-in-law had his genitals oiled and he had the gall to tell me that all the stories on the Internet were “Old hat” and that he was wondering when the subject would surface again.
When he used the term “old hat”, It again sent off red flags in my mind, but as he went on to explain that the procedure made his relative or sibling a better Father and a better husband, I realized that Bob was treating it as a blessing and a healing so I again dropped the whole subject and didn’t pursue it further.
The reason for having this conversation with Bozzani was because I had received a letter from an American Mother who was at the ashram in Puttaparti, India and she requested that I go on the internet and verify the negative stories that were starting to circulate on the web from people like David Bailey etc. etc.
At the time, her request seemed rather strange because I thought she was in the presence of the Lord and had settled in for a long extended stay with her son and husband at Puttaparti. I briefly wondered why she would even challenge her own faith by making such a request of me.
Since I had never in 26 years ever doubted or questioned the Divinity of Sai Baba, I felt these alleged stories had to be evil attacking goodness and that I should have nothing to do with them; and I politely declined her request to search on the Internet.
The months went by and then all of a sudden, the first of a series of bombshells arrived in letter form on April 7, 2000 from India........Again, it came from the same Mother in India, but this time I learned for the first time the real reason for her earlier request.
In a very distraught and anguished tone, she told me, that outside of her son and two daughters, I was the only other person in the entire world that was now being told that her son had been sexually molested (She used the word raped) by Sri Sathya Sai Baba on two separate occasions in September 1999. And to make sure she had my full attention, she included an exact copy of her son’s very personal handwritten journal accounting of the entire sordid experiences on those two fateful days.
My whole world was immediately shaken from top to bottom and an immense feeling of the worst kind of betrayal filled my body, mind and soul. It was then and still is now described as the biggest disappointment of my entire life.
26 years of uncompromising devotion was now instantly down the drain of what could only be termed as a “river of sorrows” that penetrated my entire being.
My life had instantly changed from being a devout believer and worshipper to crying out a barrage of questions that had never been asked during the previous 26 years.
After I cleansed my immediate environment of all the photographic evidence of his presence, I finally went on the Internet and discovered to my horror that a deluge of stories were starting to circulate about the molestations that had been occurring for many years
Now I knew what Bozzani meant when he said “old hat”,........Obviously he and a select few had known about these events for many years, but they never told the membership at large.
That was only the beginning of what we now know to be a carefully orchestrated conspiracy by the top Sai Organization Officials to cover up the truth. These self righteous “Rogues” have taken upon themselves the power to decide whether or not devotees or newcomers had a right to know about these sexual allegations. In so doing they have deprived every parent and every relative or friend of these innocent boys and young men the right to make an adult decision concerning their safety and well-being.
As most of
you know, I soon confronted Bob Bozzani again when the same Mother asked me to
contact him after he had received the identical package of information she had
first sent to me. It was at that time that I formally announced to Bob
that I was no longer a believer in Sai Baba nor a member of the Sai
After telling me he was sorry to hear of my decision to leave the organization, he tried to explain that the trouble with devotees was they had a tendency to bring God down to the human level and that it was just not possible to do that. He told me the famous line that was to be repeated over and over again by other officers, such as Michael Goldstein, that Baba was “Pure” and that it was not possible to understand the ways of God.
My answer (at least 4 times in our conversation) was...that the God in my heart does NOT molest little children. Bob never once denied the molestation charges nor tried to refute the accounting of the events by the 15 year old molestation victim
I then decided to be one of the active Global coordinators who were pledged to expose and stop these human rights abuses......... The Mother had originally hoped that Bozzani, after reading her letter and her son’s journal notes, would call an emergency meeting of the Southern California Region and disband the entire Sai Organization.... I had warned her that was highly unlikely. Naturally she was very disappointed , but she then organized a campaign with volunteer helpers to send out their story to all devotees.
After some of the letters reached many of her California friends, all of us started hearing excuses for these so called kundalini raisings from Sai coordinators such as Berneice Mead who asserted that Sai baba was out of the goodness of his heart saving all these boys from their overactive hormones and bad karma by oiling their genitals. She even claimed the boy was overprotected by his Mother, but never once denied the actual molestation events.
But at almost the same time, her husband Ron Mead was Emailing me and saying that Baba would be extraordinary if he could perform ejaculations at age 74 with a few motions of his pelvis.
“IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT YOU CONSIDER Sai Baba TO BE AN ORDINARY MAN OR A LITTLE EXTRA ORDINARY IF ATAGE 74 HE COULD HAVE AN EJACULATION WITH THOSE FEW MOTIONS OF THE PELVIS. THE ACT WAS NOT FOR HIS GRATIFICATION”
and earlier in that same mail, Ron said that he had actually spoken to some of the males involved going back to 1968 and concluded that sex is a mental process.
“Glen, I have dealt with the issue you are dealing with for many year numerous times and have searched for clues and “I” have talked to some of the males involved. I did not jump to the same conclusions that you have. My first case goes back as far as 68 and 69. When possible I always ask question but did not always get answers because The boy involved would not or could not relate their thoughts and fantasies prior to the act that would be described as sexual. Remember sex is a mental process.”
The entire text of that Email is reproduced below.
From: Berniece Mead <email@example.com
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
To: Glen Meloy <firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: Re: BABA DOUBTING
I have dealt with the
issue you are dealing with for many year numerous times and have
searched for clues and “I” have talked to some of the males
involved. I did not jump to the same conclusions that you have.
My first case goes back as far as 68 and 69. When possible I always ask
question but did not always get answers because The boy involved would not or
could not relate their thoughts and fantasies prior to the act that would be
described as sexual.
Remember sex is a mental process.
You face the same situation. Those boys did not tell you or anyone else their thoughts or fantasies, related to sex, that repeated themselves perhaps most of their life.
Homosexuality is brought on by an Aberration of the mind, (thoughts) in some form related to sex.
AND can only be controlled in the same manner.
I COULD GO ON
AND ON FOR HOURS. I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT IS NOT MY INTENT TO CHANGE YOUR
MIND ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR MIND MADE UP. IT
IS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT YOU CONSIDER Sai Baba TO BE AN ORDINARY MAN OR A LITTLE EXTRA
ORDINARY IF AT
AGE 74 HE COULD HAVE AN EJACULATION WITH THOSE FEW MOTIONS OF THE PELVIS. THE ACT WAS NOT FOR HIS GRATIFICATION.
I will just
consider this time wasted motion. If I had the time a conversation with you I
be interesting just to find out how you are reasoning.
The strange logic employed by Bozzani and the Meads is interwoven with excuses for the oilings , but no outright denial that they took place. And somehow they seem justified in their minds because they believe sb to be pure and that he is only involved in a healing ritual and does not receive any physical gratification for himself.
This reasoning is absurd.... Even if the oiling was the only act performed, one could still legitimately question why if he was really God, does he need to actually touch their genitals? Would not a gesture or a look from the all powerful God of the Universe be enough to effect a healing without touching the individual?
Surely, the God of the Universe would not have to engage in oral sex and/or ejaculate in the mouths of his devotees to effect a healing?. Where is the healing in an act which most prudent persons would characterize as pure self gratification?
Barry, I want you to know that I am grateful to have Timothy Conway’s documented research on the record, but we still need an authentic voice from the hierarchy in the Hindu priesthood in India to speak out on these alleged kundalini raising procedures employed by Sai Baba.
I think that the Hindu spiritual leaders owe it to all the faithful followers of Hinduism to set the record straight. It’s time for them to come out of the closet and dispel the false notion that shaktipat can only be done by touching the genitals or the muladhara region.
It’s actually an insult being hurled by Sai Baba to all the Deities such as Lord Krishna, Lord Rama, Lord Jesus, Lord Buddha , Moses or any of the names of God.
Let’s put this kundalini raising claim to rest once and for all, so that the leadership of the Sai Organization cannot hide behind those false assertions.
As Timothy so aptly stated...... I have NEVER read anything that would suggest that what Sai Baba is doing to male youth has been done by ANY other spiritual master in any tradition
Barry, you have my permission to distribute this to anyone on your mailing list and to also post it on any web site, both pro and con.
Much Love and Light,
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