THIS LIST INCLUDES TOP LEADERS, OFFICE-BEARERS, VIPs &/or (often long-term) SAI WORKERS who left the INTERNATIONAL SATHYA SAI ORGANISATION mostly after 2000 - due to disillusionment and/or disgust at the known activities of Sai Baba. It also includes devotees who have been followers from as early as childhood and others of only some years duration.

It is important to understand that the list of names here represents only those who have spoken about their disillusionment. This number is like the proverbial tip of the iceberg (or less)... for in three countries I know well, less than 5% of those who have left the Organization have made known the fact to the public.

NB! This list of apostates has been compiled from e-mails received , public postings of resignation letters and other such documents, including over 1500 signatories of the Sai Petition (see here). Amendments and additions to this list (which is certainly very far from complete regarding many countries) can be sent to this blogsite as a comment



Elena A. Hartgering - devotee from 1979 to 2000, Manchester, CT, USA. Manchester Center. Service Coordinator, Vice President, and Workshop facilitator at Sai events, e.g., Sai Annual Retreat and Regional Retreat. (3 trips to India)

John J. Hartgering - Devotee 1987 - 2000, Manchester, Connecticut, Center President, Service Coordinator.

Timothy Conway Ph.D. - Follower for 22 years from 1978 - President of the Sathya Sai Baba Center of San Francisco from 1982-4

David. J. Lyons - Follower from 1981 to 2000. Ex-President of the Center of Greater New Orleans.

Anthony LoGrasso - devotee from 1988 - 2000, Bolton, Connecticut, Manchester Center. Service Coordinator

David J. LaFratta  - 25 years of deep devotion - 16 trips to India to see SSB. Windsor Center, Somers, Connecticut.

Nathan LaFratta - son of David above - raised as a Sai devotee. EHV student. Officer in the Young Adults Program. Participant in the Summer at Brindavan program. Windsor Center, Somers, Connecticut. Left SSB when father discovered his fraudulence.

Norman Green – long-time devotee. In the book business. Acted as conduit in obtaining Baba books. Manchester Center, Connecticut, USA.

Lori Kaplowitz - President of the newly formed Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, USA. Acted as mentor to Young Adults program. coordinator of the first SSB Camp in Willimantic, CT, USA. Dropped out of movement prior to commencement of the camp.

Alvin Drucker – Almost continuously leading foreign resident at PN from 1970s till ca. 1990. Author of 'Sai Baba Gita'. Banned permanently from ashrams and all SSO meetings by SSB personally at Brindavan interview in 1992. (Confusingly/confusedly he still seems to worship SSB, though he also claims to be an advaitist).

Dennis J. Hanisch  Follower for 27 years.  Founder member and Vice-President, Seattle Center. Active in exposing SSB’s sexual activities.

Dave. G. Brandt – 1971- 2001. USA Official Contact for Nebraska, N. and S. Dakota. Wyoming/

Richard Nelson   Member 1979-2000 Ex-President Santa Barbara Center.

Terry Nelson - Member 1979-2000.

Sharon Purcell - Follower for 32 years. Founder member of Tustin Center, California. Sathya Purcell Lifetime follower until age 23.

Shirley J. Pike - Ex-President, NC Region: Ex-President Cedar Rapids Center, Iowa. (psychologist, sexual abuse counsellor)

Glen Meloy –  SSO member for 26 years. Member of 1st Advisory Board of the SSB Society for USA. Co-Manager, Sathya Sai Book Center of America in 1974-5.

Tal Brooke - Prominent devotee 1969-1971. Victim of sexual approaches by SSB. Wrote exposure books, starting with ‘Avatar of Night’.

Al Rahm, wife and son - Office-bearing member of the SSO for decades. Regional Devotional Coordinator and founder of first Education in Human Values school in the U.S. All totally disaffected.

Paul Throne - USA 1988-2000 Center education coordinator Have been to see SSB 4 times, 1990, 1994, 1995-96 and 1999.

Taniya Weerasuriya Purcell - 1994-1998. Bal Vikas Teacher

Steve Woolard - President of Walnut Creek, CA center for 5 years

Bettina Woolard - 1991 - 2000 SSE teacher and Service Coordinator

Miriam Reinhart - 1987-2000 President Eugene, Oregon chapter 1993-1995 .

Jon Sutton - 1986 -2000 Hosting the Eugene Sai Center for fifteen years.

Ella Evers - 1986-2000  Various Offices plus hosting Eugene Sai Center for 15 years.

Lilian Pike - 1980 – 1998.

Lisa Tice - 1985-2000  President of Gig Harbor Center for 7 years

Jim Veenker - 1997-2000 Local Seva coordinator & vice president.

Matt Monahan - From 1981, resigned in June, 2000

Rick Raines - former president of the South Central Region. ( incl. Texas)

Catherine Murray - since 1975; Sai Organisation 1996-2005

Prashant Jayaraman - 1990-2005 [signed the Sai petition July 14. 2008]

Miguel Angel Gonzalez - : 1996 hasta hoy 5 Abr 08 Position in S.S.Org: various en USA y Argentina

Soni Sutton - from Birth to age 29 (1974 to 2003)

Barbara Dent - 1987- 2004

John Hart - 1986-1988
Barbara Sullivan - 1981 - (2003?)
Richard H. Allan - Fall 1977- Dec. 1999
James W. Paxton, USA - 1993-2001
Karen Harp, USA - 1993-1995 To think, I named my daughter after this man! I have since learned he has abused many of the pupils in his boys' schools.
Bonita Swordmaker, America - 1987-2002 Wedgewood group of Seattle, Washington.

Darren Fidels - 1974-2003

Arlene Mazak, Ph.D. - Follower 1975-2000

Greg Gerson - Follower from 1993-2003 - was molested

Kevin D.H. - 1993-2002

Carolyn Wise - 1998-2004

H. Devosey - Ex-member of Austin centre

Victor Brooks - Follower 1980 to 1998

Anurag S. Raj - 1996-1999

George Figueroa - follower - 1999-2002

William ** [Ph.D.] former president of the North Central Region, gave resignation notification to the National Coordinator.

Joanna Padgett - follower: 1971-1983 [signed the Sai petition August 15. 2008]

Cate Murray - follower: 1998 - 2005[signed the Sai petition December 22. 2009]

Sunny Torres - follower: 1996 - 2008 S.S.Org: Service Coordinator at Windsor CT Center , Newhaven, Connecticut [signed the Sai petition on January 11. 2009]

Kim Keparutis - follower: 1995-2009

Arti Solanki . follower: 1995-2005

Amy Dave - follower: 2002-2011


James Albert Danis - Follower for 13 years  “Co-ordinator for Special Programs" - Christmas and Easter Programs at the Vancouver Sai Center and for The English Devotional Group.

Marianne Warren - Centre President, Toronto. Ran bookshop. Author of book on Shirdi Baba. Resigned due to disaffection & sexual allegations..

Michael Warren - Sai Centre President, Toronto. With wife, involved with SSB Book & Information Centre in Canada for many years. Growing disillusionment with SSB in the years prior to the total break in 2000, which was due to the homosexual/pedophile revelations.

Dhyani Jo Sinclair - Member and Sai Centre Secretary, 1995-2000. Learned of sexual molestations from victims.

Susan Angel - 1975 - 2001  Former Bal Vikas teacher

Michael & Daniel Ward  -  Investigative party with friends - involved since 1985.

Tony O'Clery - 1985-2000 Secretary, Vancouver Centre.

Sylvain Beauchamp - 1992-2004

Ms. Armande McKenna -1986 - 2001.

Adeel Amin - Follower 1990 to 2000 ex-Bal Vikas student

Helen Robitaille - Co-ordinator in the Montreal area

Myuran Palasandiran, Follower 1990-1996

(Seven coordinators in Quebec province resigned prior to May 2001.)

Chander Thangavelu - follower: 1994 to 2000


Dr. Malcolm Robert Green - academic, prominent educationalist (Strathclyde University)

Ron Laing. Former member of the World Council of SSO and Ex-President of UK SSO. Left Organisation (pre 1986).due to authoritarian leadership by I. Shah and major dissatisfaction with the Organisation's rules and practices.

Lucas Ralli  - Ex-President of UK SSO and Central Coordinator for UK & Ireland. Sacked (pre-1994) from SSO for opposing I. Shah over many mismanagement issues.  Ceased to visit SSB.soon afterwards.

David Bailey – 1994? to 1999. Favourite of SSB, over 100 interviews. Lives as professional musician now.

Faye Bailey - Took over editorship of Peggy Masons' Sai Baba magazine but then published 'The Findings'

Jacques McGreg - 1989 - 2003 Sai Worker

Dr. Margaret Tottle-Smith, 43 years Position in S.S.Org: ex Spiritual Convener Region 7 UK. Author of Sai books, now withdrawn.

June Ives, 20 years a follower. Aylesbury.

Hilary Cawsey, 3 years Position in S.S.Org: ex leader Exeter Centre Region 7 UK

Aime Levy - Ex-President of UK SSO and Central Coordinator for UK & Ireland. Sacked from SSO by Goldstein, backed up by I. Shah because of decades-long inalienable split between the Indian and native British faction (no fault of Levy). Left SSO and SSB ca. 2001.

Sandra Levy - Seva Coordinator in London of visiting groups to Puttaparthi for many years

Z. Parkinson - 1992-2000 - Convenor 1997-98

Abdul-Maalik Tailor - 1984 - 1991

June Auton - organiser of dozens of value-education classes in UK but whose contributions were pointedly ignored by the Sai Org. and officially excluded. Withdrew from Sai Organisation and started independent Human Values organisation. No longer visits India.

Sanjay Dadlani - 1990-2001  Member of Youth Group, Mill Hill Sai Centre, North London

Rajaneethan Raju -1990 to 17june 2004

Keith Ord - Follower from 1986-1991

Anthony Thomas - 20 years of attempts to get this predator exposed.


Barry Pittard  - 1976-1999.  Former English Lecturer, Sathya Sai College, Whitefield.

Brian Steel - Follower from 1984-2000. (Published 2 pro-SSB books prior to current writings)

Soma Jeyendren - 1989 -2001. Coordinator of celebrations, Pennanthills Center, NSW.

Stephen Carthew - Follower for 15 years Ex-office-bearer in the South Australian Org. "Sacked as the Spiritual Co-ordinator of South Australia in 2000 as my suggestion that ‘allegations about our Guru be examined impartially’ was ruled ‘out of order’."

Hans de Kraker 1989 - 1997 Western Canteen Director Nov, Dec – 1996. Abused sexually by Sai Baba.

Barry K. Newton 1994 - 2001 Ex Chairperson Pennant Hills, ex Deputy Chairperson NSW Zone B

Professor Roger Packham, Additional Deputy Central Coordinator zone A, Australia -

John Purnell 1987-1994. Also sexually abused by that fraud .

Roy Pendragon - 1990 to 1999 Former Administrator, Sathya Sai School, Perth, Western Australia. E/mail:

Tania Gordon, Australia -1980-1 to 2000.

Mary Garden, Australia - Follower 1973 -1978 on and off. I wrote about my experiences with Sai Baba and the allegations of him being a hermaphrodite and a sexual predator on young boys in my book 'The Serpent Rising - a journey of spiritual seduction' published in 1988.

Julian O'Donnell, Australia - Follower 5 years.

Wilfred Waters - 1983-2001

Ross Lineham 15 years service

Niranjan Bidargaddi - follower: 1992-1998 [signed the Sai petition February 7. 2009]

Lavanya Nal - follower: 1996-2010

Pathma Saravanan - follower: 1973 to 2007


Pacus Gagu - follower: 1980 - 1993

Linda Deakin - follower: 2000-2003[signed the Sai petition November 21. 2008]

Sarath Gunatunga - 1992 to 2004. I totally believed in this fellow


Robbie Curdorf  - Secretary of the Sai Org. in Denmar, 1980s. Letter of resignation quoted reason as being the cultish nature of the Sai Org.

Asmus Bisgaard - several years in 1980s. Former Seva Coordinator for Copenhagen Centre.

Bitten Nelson - 17 years. Arranged visits, held lectures. Left SSB in 2000 after returning to Puttaparthi to investigate the sexual scandal.

Lars Winther - 1988 - 2001

Ole Alstrup - 1987- 1999 - Left ashram in 1999 in life-threatening situation. Started Danish anti-Sai Baba website.

Anders Thisted -

Paul Misfeldt - National Youth Wing Coordinator. Knew a young Italian who had been having sexual relations with SSB.

Liam Ekaf - 1999-2001


Conny Larsson - 1978-99 National Spiritual Coordinator from 1993-96, member since 1992. Victim of Sai Babas sexual molestation 1979-1983

Britt-Marie Andén - Centre President Gothenburg ca. 1989, National Coordinator 1991-1993. Then Head of Sai School in Gothenburg until closure and resignation 2000 due to sexual molestation of a son by SSB.

Magnus Vrethammar - Over 20 years, many as office bearer in SSO. Founder member. Leader of the Stockholm Centre and National Coordinator of EHV in Sweden. Resigned 1999 when learning of SSB's sexual abuses from a Swedish victim & visiting David Bailey.

Annestina Vrethammar Author of three books on Sai Baba, two published in Sweden. Resigned after learning of SSB's sexual abuses from a Swedish victim.

Mattias Öhlin - National Coordinator for the Sai Baba youth wing in Sweden for many years. Resigned 2000 on hearing of SSB's sexual molestations from a Swedish victim.

Sofia Öhlin - Coordinator for the youth spiritual wing. Resigned on hearing of SSB's sexual molestations from a Swedish victim.

Susana Contreras  - Devotee for 15 years. Former Balvikas Teacher (from Venezuela)

Dr. Ove Svidin - former devotee who left after 75th birthday in Puttaparthi

Britt Danielsson - legal advisor for the Sathya Sai Baba organization in Sweden.

Vilfrid (Ville) Fast - left the Organisation and Sai Baba when teenager after having had ca.50 private interviews & many gifts.

Thomas Viehe - former leader of meditation groups in Gothenberg : left Sai Organisation 1999 after contacting David Bailey.

Pierre Stahre - 1990-2000


Alf Tidemann-Johannessen - One of the first Norwegian devotees in the 1960s, described at length in Kasturi's official biography of SSB and elsewhere. He donated a helicopter for SSB's 50th birthday celebrations. He denounced SSB totally before 1985 as a deceiver and a thief, writing an exposé account. He lived mostly in Mexico until his death in 2000.

Bente Holdt – Member 1983/1991. Group Coordinator, Oslo 1983/1986. Resigned due to undue pressures from SSO leaders.

Reidun Priddy - 1983-2000  Founder member and Seva Wing Coordinator 1986-1998. Left Org. firstly, then was disaffected by allegations.

Robert Priddy - 1983-2001  Founder member, Coordinator of Oslo group & Centre. National leader, 1986-2000. Resigned due to the murders cover-up and after conclusive investigation of many sexual allegations against SSB.
Per Jensen – Member 1983/2002 Centre President Oslo 1997/1999. Left Sai Org. due to disaffection.

Ragnhild Aamot – Member 1990/2002. Centre President Oslo 1999-2001. Resigned from SSO due to disaffection.

Marit Larsen - Bergen group Coordinator 1996-2000. Resigned due to SSB sexual abuse facts.


Leo Boogaard  - Centre President in 1984, sacked by T. Meyer. Later elected National Coordinator (1989-1992) and held leading EHV post. Left SSO and Sai Baba after decades in the mid/1990s. Became MP for The Netherlands.

Ganapathi Das - Follower for 18 years - 1987 - 2004. S.S.Org: Bhajan, Seva and Spiritual Coördinator

Stijntje Riemersma - Follower for 20 years. Coordinator/Secretary Utrecht group, 6 years.

Hortense Quijs - 1995 – 2000   Maastricht Group Coordinator

Andries Krugers Dagneaux - Follower from 1992-2001.  Ex-Coordinator of seva wing.

Catharina Elisabeth Kuyken - 1992-2000  Secretary of the Purmerend Group

Michel Koeman - 1987-2004 Zaanstad Seva & Bhajan Coordinator.

Jaap Hutte - 1978 – 1999. Translator, musician.

Jenny Knol - 1985-1999. Typist/corrector. Very much disappointed in SSB's 'truth'.

Klaas Knol - 1985-1999 . Translator/corrector.

Mrs Rian Oorthuizen - 1989 -2001. Member of Sai Org. in Utrecht. Jet Hendriks - Coordinator of SSO group in Kerkade nr. Maastricht. Active worker, devoted for many years. Many visits to SSB.

Hanneke Koeman-Bot, 1991-2004. S.S.Org. coordinator 4 j. - Centre coordinator Zaanstad 4 j.

Roel van der Neut - Kerkade group. Resigned 8-8-2000 after Bailey's report. Frequent ashram visitor, active follower for many years.

John vd Jagt - Follower 1993-2003

Angelica Bos - Follower 1993 till 1995

Cees de Volder - Follower 1998 - 2004

Ranada van Kralingen - ? - 2000

Petra van der Jagt - follower 1993-2003

Jacinta van IJperen - follower 1987-2005

Ganapathi Das - 1987 - 2004. Former Bhajan, Seva en Spiritual Coördinator

Sebastiaan Engelbarts - member of Sathya Sai Otg. 1990-2009

Chris Dokter - 1980-1990 MA, M Sc. - active member and book translator for the Organisation, TV appearances for Sai Baba


Jens Sethi and wife - Both escaped from Prashanthi Nilaym after being warned of attempt on their lives. Registered formal charges against Sathya Sai Baba and with the German Police.

Richard and Ingrid Kuhn - Wrote & posted letter of resignation due to child sexual abuses. January 2001.

Alexis Hildebrandt - 1987-2002 I lived in India for nine years and heard many personal accounts - there is no doubt about the truth of the allegations.

Ullrich Zimmermann - devotee for over 10 years. Induced into sexual acts by Sai Baba.

Stefan Bauer devotee 1998 - 2006

Claudia Pees - approx. 15 years


Virginia Villalon - 1985-1997 Secretary of Coordinating Commitee Spain (Signed international petition)

Isidro Cachadiña Gutiérrez - 1989-2002. President of local Center

Sonia Mendoza de Rojas - 1990-2000.

María Tardío Cabrera - 2001-2002.  Local coordinator.

Nieves Cáceres Follower -1991-1997

Soledad Cabrero, Follower 1991-1998

Ismael Rodriguez - follower: 1976-1986 [signed the Sai petition December 26. 2008.


Maria Bossi - follower for 20 years

Adriana Auderset - Follower 1981-1994 I feel deep hurt for the loss of my best years of my life being enslaved by this evil man and his organisation. There are friends still in his clutches, unable to see and admit that they have been cheated for years. I am so happy to be free of this dependency. I needed psychic help to get out of his enslavement. What a nightmare! But I am awake now! With love adriana


Panchito Mandefua - follower 30 years


Felix Maria Woschek, Portugal - 1984 - 1998


Marcello Sandri - 1990-2002

Francesco Polenghi.

Former EHV leader in Italy, left Sai org. for an independent values education organisation called AVES. (Associazione di Voluntariato per l'Educazione Alla Solidarieta'. The School Director is Eva-Lotte Mannerfelt)

Gianni Cecere - Organiser of catering and cooking for decades for Sathya sai Organisation.

Danilo Pomicino - 1992/2007

Massimo Falsetti - 2000-2004

Lia Meijer - 1989-2003 {states:"all adverse commentaries are verified and valid."]

Alvaro Filippo Michelon - 1981 - 1990: I was first molested by Sai Baba 1981.


(Prominent devotees with a son at Sai's college, Puttaparthi are know to have left due to the son's being abused sexually by Sai Baba)


Artur Wisniewski - National coordinator of SSO, resigned.

Felix Maria Woschek, Portugal - 1984 - 1998


Maria Ponomareva-Stepnaya - until 2001 resigned as National Youth Coordinator, Russia

Serguei Badaev - 1995-2001 Ex-President of Sai Org. Moscow Centre and Deputy National Chairman for Russia.

Dinara Badaeva - 1995-2001.  Moscow Centre Educational Coordinator

Vadim Koudreavtsev - follower and S.S.Org: active member - 2000-2005


William Lo - knew well a boy sexually abused by Sai Baba.


Lee Yue Heng - 1997-2001


Lionel Fernandez - Follower since1967.  Centre Chairman May-October 2000

Jorge Reyesvera - 1983-2000  Leading office-bearer 1984-1996.

Sergio Arturo Loyola Michel  1976 to 2001. Composer and singer.

María G. García -  1997 to 2001  Centro Sai de la Colonia Roma México D.F.

Ma. Elena González Herrera - 1974-2001

Girasol Jiminez Ortega - 1985-2000

Ivan Lomelle Quintanilla - 1990-2000

Luis Gerardo Galvan Cortes - 17 years, all my life (alleges attempted sexual abuse by Sai Baba)


Carlos Francisco Mejia Brizuela - Follower 5 years


Patricia Soler 1988-1999   Soy psicóloga (profesional) , viajé 4 veces a India .

Mercedes Pretto - 1980-1995.

Juan Pablo - Follower 1990-2000.

Salim Delgado - Student of SS Org.


Carlos Santamaria - President of the Bogota Sai Centre, Colombia. Resigned 2001 (see here)

Norman Fajardo Martinez - 1994 to 2000.  Spiritual Group Coordinator.

Fernando Cardona Olarte - 1976 until 2002 - Secretary General, Coordinator of Devotion, Secretary of the Foundation or Trust

Octavio Escobar - 1989-1999 Former President, SSSB La Magdalena Center, Bogota.

Antonia Pérez Esquivel - 1993-1997

Norma Henker (left before 2001)

Alvaro Palau (left before 2001)



Rosalia Malagelada de Neves - 1982 until 2001 .Follower from 1988. Difusión y Coordinadora Service Caribe Aereas (Venezuela Comite) I knew very closely two cases of abuse.

Rafael Izturriaga - Devotee 5 years

Manuel Antonio Piñero Martinez. - 1997 to 1999.

Miguel Velazquez - 1988 until 2001

Mauro Leal - Follower 4 years

Ivel Danieri - follower - 2005 to 2006


Jorge Arce, Perú - 1978 - 2000 Ex Presidente del Comite Coordinador (Ex-President of SSO's Coordinating Committee)


Vitor André - Goiania centre. 1 year.

INDIA (our data here is obviously very incomplete, mostly for reasons of anonymity and avoidance of possible reprisals)

Krishna Murthy Follower, active worker in the Sai Org.: 1970 to 1993

Subramanyan Iyer - Sevak 1981 - 2000

Williams - 1978-2003 Ex-Sai college student

Bhanu Chopra - Follower 1981-1988. Student at Prashanthi Nilayam

Prem Latha - Follower for 8 years (Bangalore)

Dr. N. Bhatia - former Head of Sathya Sai Blood Transfusion Unit at Puttaparthi hospital. Sacken by SSB and forced away from the area by thugs after challenging SSB on anal rape of a 7th grade student.

Basava Premanand - 1968-1974 Worker in SSB Org., Podanur

Satish K. follower - 1990-2005

Jyothi Kumar, India 1980 onwards. Student of the Institute from 1984 to 1991

Kirtan Kumar - 1960 onwards Student in the Primary,High School and Institute in Parthi

Badri Narayanan - 1984-2008.

Raj Kumar - follower for 8 years [signed the Sai petition on November 1. 2009]

Manav Sharma - follower: Until 2008 [signed the Sai petition September 2. 2009]

Rajaram Santhanam (bank manager) - follower: 1980-2010

Sai Naveen - follower: 1997-2008

Atul Menon (lawyer): - follower 1993-2006

Lalitha Krishna - follower from childhood (1971) [signed the Sai petition December. 2010]

Rah Kumar - follower 1982-1993


Prem Kumar, follower: 1975-2004

Siva Kandiah, follower for a few years until 2005

Rakesh Dookhit, Follower 1996-2001

Diren B Hemah - follower from childhood [signed the Sai petition on September 10. 2009}


Dolly Rattan - 1976-1998


Darandu Okemmuo, member of Sathya Sai Org- 1989 - 1993


Reshma Karki - 1990 -2004

Prisha Pandey - 1985 to 2003


Rakesh Dookhit - follower - 1996-2001


Raaid Iqbal - (was abused)


Esenam Agbotse - 1996 to 2002

Please note: There is no incorrect information on the above pages as far as can be discovered by thorough investigation. Some changes have been made when inaccuracies have been pointed out by those listed. The main causes for most defections are the sexual molestations, including oiling of genitalia and even widely alleged homsexual seduction and even oral and other sex by Sathya Sai Baba, plus his uninvestigated involvement in the police executions four of his devotees in 1993 (Murders in Sai Baba's bedroom), and not least Sai Baba's many documented fraudulent 'materialisations', broken promises and misuse of funds. The facts concerning these are documented in the 1 hour BBC documentary on Sai Baba - 'The Secret Swami' - sent worldwide in 2004 and available on order from the BBC. (If you have difficulty ordering,
explaining this but note that no e-mails from anonymous IPs will be accepted).